California Thanksgiving Day Guidelines

b2k1121

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Like everything else in this pandemic, we all have to decide what's best for our families and our situations.

No one should be judged either way I don't believe. There are far too many variables and unknowns to think one size fits all.

I can tell you we will be doing Halloween and we will have a normal family Thanksgiving. Again, this is what our family has decided and I would never assume your family should follow suit or judge you for not doing so. We are all adults here and understand the risks and necessary precautions.

To me this is no different than deciding to go to Disney or not. We all have to make the best decisions based on our own experiences and situations.

Just my .02 cents.
No, we shouldn’t be doing that, and that’s the reason the US has been a complete disaster since March. It’s a public health issue, not just a personal health decision. This is the time to think of everyone, not just yourself.
 

nickg420

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No, we shouldn’t be doing that, and that’s the reason the US has been a complete disaster since March. It’s a public health issue, not just a personal health decision. This is the time to think of everyone, not just yourself.
So what's the solution? We should all just lock ourselves in our home for as long as it takes for it all to go away? Wait on the government to send us checks to pay all of our bills?

That's nonsense....

My wife owns a salon, should she just close up shop when consenting adults, who know and understand the risks, are perfectly ok with coming and getting their hair done?

At what point do we draw a line?

My argument is that are the mental health issues and problems associated with extended lockdowns worse than the risk of possibly getting a disease that most people aren't dying from anyway?

I think the mental health issues are far worse...
 

DisneyJamieCA

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Don't forget! Lord Newsom said to put your mask back on in between bites!

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The ironic part is you should like these guidelines. Anything that helps CA move in the right direction. Because he’s dug in heels about Disneyland and spikes from family gatherings in Orange County will just move the opening Disneyland further and further away.
 
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  • DisneyJamieCA

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    So what's the solution? We should all just lock ourselves in our home for as long as it takes for it all to go away? Wait on the government to send us checks to pay all of our bills?

    That's nonsense....

    My wife owns a salon, should she just close up shop when consenting adults, who know and understand the risks, are perfectly ok with coming and getting their hair done?

    At what point do we draw a line?

    My argument is that are the mental health issues and problems associated with extended lockdowns worse than the risk of possibly getting a disease that most people aren't dying from anyway?

    I think the mental health issues are far worse...
    Apples and oranges here. Nobody is suggesting another lockdown. Nobody is saying that things need to stay closed. They’re simply suggesting skipping the giant family holiday dinners this year. They didn’t even say not to get together with family - just keep it under these guidelines. And again, for most of California (not all), the weather is still nice enough for outdoors to be a total possibility on Thanksgiving.
     

    nickg420

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    Apples and oranges here. Nobody is suggesting another lockdown. Nobody is saying that things need to stay closed. They’re simply suggesting skipping the giant family holiday dinners this year. They didn’t even say not to get together with family - just keep it under these guidelines. And again, for most of California (not all), the weather is still nice enough for outdoors to be a total possibility on Thanksgiving.
    But that's not what I was responding to and that wasn't the argument being made.

    No, we shouldn’t be doing that, and that’s the reason the US has been a complete disaster since March. It’s a public health issue, not just a personal health decision. This is the time to think of everyone, not just yourself.
    Which was a direct response to me suggesting people should do what they feel is best for their family and situation...

    My response was directed at that comment specifically.
     

    b2k1121

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    I just don't know what to think. We need to be more diligent as a country, but Americans HATE being told what to do. It's like people will do the opposite just to prove they can.
    It’s really been an enlightening experience this year and a lot of people have revealed themselves. I am in one of the worst states in terms of cases right now, everything is open and I wouldn’t define any current restrictions as strict. The governor orders an indoor mask mandate which seems like the least that can be done at this point and people here lost their minds. He got sued and they are currently in the process of trying to recall him. There are pockets of protestors at busy intersections protesting him...because he wants to save some lives? I never knew so many adults would actually be children.
     
  • Lumpy1106

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    I believe it's far past time for the guidelines/restrictions to follow the data. We know that people gathering indoors without masks is a major source of spread - so in that respect this makes sense. This is overboard though - I will expect people will just cancel their family gatherings or ignore the guidelines - no one is going to do what they are suggesting. Meanwhile the Covid protocols in the parks and schools are working and there is no spread attributed there - those should be open - but at least in CA they are not. Makes no sense...
     

    Pkltm

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    Another Canadian here, we had our Thanksgiving just over two weeks ago, the cases are now surging and they have been able to contract trace back to some Thanksgiving dinners. We are headed towards another lockdown and in fact we are worse off where I live than we were in the spring. Many are already talking no Christmas dinners. Our governmet actually came out and said "grow up."

    Crazy or smart?


    I may understand the need but putting into practice seems somewhat unattainable.

    - Only 3 households (including the hosts). That means I couldn't have all three of my kids' families over
    - Must be held outdoors
    - No longer than 2 hours
    - No one allowed in house except for using the bathroom and it must be sanitized frequently

    Many more restrictions but those are some that would never work for us.....


    MJ
    I say smart. Reducing contacts wherever possible will help control the spread.

    Reading some of these responses its no wonder we are going backwards right now.
    Agree I thought this a couple weeks ago about social media comments regarding Thanksgiving here and now we are surging in cases again and our hospitals are having issues keeping up.
     

    DisneyJamieCA

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    But that's not what I was responding to and that wasn't the argument being made.



    Which was a direct response to me suggesting people should do what they feel is best for their family and situation...

    My response was directed at that comment specifically.
    But this entire thread is about these guidelines. That comment seems to be in response to people saying they’ll do what they want for Thanksgiving and can’t be told otherwise.

    In this case, in this thread, no doing what you want in regards for Thanksgiving isn’t ok. It is a public health issue and the actions one makes doesn’t just affect themselves/their families. It affects all of us.
     

    Shellsbutt

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    Reminds me of the story my mother used to tell us of her BFF from Denmark. At a dinner party she asked her friend to get the tossed salad. Her friend confusingly took the salad opened up the window and tossed it!! For real! :rotfl:
    Sounds like something straight out of the Amelia Bedelia books :D
     

    b2k1121

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    So what's the solution? We should all just lock ourselves in our home for as long as it takes for it all to go away? Wait on the government to send us checks to pay all of our bills?

    That's nonsense....

    My wife owns a salon, should she just close up shop when consenting adults, who know and understand the risks, are perfectly ok with coming and getting their hair done?

    At what point do we draw a line?

    My argument is that are the mental health issues and problems associated with extended lockdowns worse than the risk of possibly getting a disease that most people aren't dying from anyway?

    I think the mental health issues are far worse...
    You didn’t say anything about lockdowns or mental health in your previous post and neither did I. It was entirely ‘every family should decide what’s best to them and no one can judge their decisions’. By that logic I could go out and get my entire family sick and then bring them all to church without masks because that’s what we decided to do as a family and no one can judge my decision. My point is that’s not how we should look at this because people are inherently selfish and if we continue to have that mindset this will only continue to get worse.

    Nothing has been locked down since summer began so I don’t know where that is coming from. It doesn’t matter that ‘most’ people aren’t dying from it, 230k have died from it and we can make pretty small sacrifices to save some people’s lives.

    The solution? Care about other people other than just your own family. Wear a mask, follow current common sense guidelines, don’t only see through the lens of protecting yourself from getting sick, don’t assume when someone says we should protect other people that they are saying we need to lock ourselves inside forever. Those would be good starting points to get to a solution.

    The fact that these things still need to be said after 9 months is why this continues to get worse.
     

    DisneyHardin

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    Sure, but why is 2 hours the magic number? I've certainly heard the 15 minutes in 24 hours rule but haven't heard the 2 hour rule. Maybe by 2 hours if you're going to get it you've already gotten it. So why not stay for the rest of the football game and some pumpkin pie?

    That said, we're not seeing my elderly parents on Thanksgiving. We are however, exposing ourselves to our 2 adult kids, one of whom will be returning from a large college campus. Good thing I don't have to send her back after 2 hours.
    My guess is that the 2-hour recommendation isn't based off of any scientific study of the virus and based more of human nature. The longer you are at a party, the more comfortable you are going to become and start getting lax about masks/social distancing/etc.
     
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    Sure, but why is 2 hours the magic number? I've certainly heard the 15 minutes in 24 hours rule but haven't heard the 2 hour rule. Maybe by 2 hours if you're going to get it you've already gotten it.
    Yes the 15mins was a recent update redefining close contact which they now say is 15mins over a 24hour time period; used to be 15 consecutive minutes was close contact.

    But your comment above reminds me of my father-in-law's wife's mother. Father-in-law had a dinner months ago (when our COVID situation in the metro was way different than it is now), the wife's mother came. We're all inside (and I kept a contact tracing list of that dinner and avoided contact with others for a while after that) and the wife's mother sits next to my husband for an hour within inches of him, she's around us all in the kitchen, she's eating the food that was shared.

    When we leave she says no to hugging because I quote "the virus and all I'm trying to protect myself". I completely appreciated her thoughts and don't disagree on the hugging bit, but that's not how the virus works. You don't get to say you're protecting yourself from the virus because you didn't hug someone BUT you sat next to someone for over an hour, you were in the same house for 2 days with 3 other people and you were in the same close area with 3 other people (myself, my husband and my sister-in-law) for several hours. Informed decisions is different than misunderstanding the risks. And she most def. misunderstood the risks.
     

    HeatherC

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    Newsom is the least of your worries. As I have posted, there is a chance this will be coming soon from the White House nationally. We just haven't been serious about covid-19
    I seriously doubt it will be coming from the White House.
     

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